We have many enemies, many enemies.

But look, and that's very interesting.  Who during that time [of talks with the Vatican] was the most opposed that the church will recognize the Society? 

The enemies of the church. The Jews, the Masons, the Modernists. The most opposed that the Society would be recognized as [uh] Catholic. The enemies of the church. Interesting, isn't it? 

More than that, what was the point? What did they say to Rome? They said, "you must oblige these people to accept Vatican II." That's also very interesting, isn't it? People whom [sic] from outside the church, who were clearly during centuries enemies of the church, say to Rome: "if you want to accept these people you must oblige them to accept the Council." 

Isn't that interesting? Oh, it is. I think it's fantastic. Because it shows that Vatican II is their thing. Not the church's. They see, the enemies of the church see their benefit in the Council. Very interesting.

So, I may say, that's the kind of argument we're going to use with Rome. Trying to make them reflect. Trying to make them reflect.